MOHRING, Henry – Gresford War Memorial

Written and researched by Mavis Williams

William John Fred Mohring, Henry’s father, married 3 times, first to Elizabeth Mary Peel, age 20 on the 18th March 1880 in Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England.( Newcastle T. Vol. 10b, Page 82              )

The 1881 census  shows them living at 152 Percy Street, Newcastle on Tyne (St. Andrew), Northumberland.   William, 27 was a Caf? Manager, born in Hanover, Germany.   Elizabeth Mary, 20 had bee born in Newcastle on Tyne as had their son John F., age 3 months.

I believe that Elizabeth Mary Mohring died in the December Quarter of 1887, age 27 (W. Derby Vol. 8b, Page 380).

William then married Elizabeth Ann Walne in the September Quarter of 1891 at Liverpool (Liverpool Vol.  8b, Page 370)

The 1891 Census was taken on the 5th April 1891, so William and Elizabeth weren’t married when the census was taken.

Henry Mohring was Baptised at St. Peter’s Church, Liverpool – Page 160 Born 19th October 1890, Baptism 17th November 1890 Henry s/o William & Elizabeth MOHRING, Brae Street, Fruiterer.

The 1891 census shows the family living at 5, Brae Street, West Derby (Municipal), Lancashire, William, 35 was a Fruit Salesman (Green), born Germany.  Elizabeth, 23 had been born in Walton, Liverpool.   William’s son John was now 10 years old and another son, (probably Elizabeth Mary Peel’s son) was William, age 7 years, born in Liverpool.   2 other sons, Ernest, age 1 and Henry age 5 months, both born Liverpool made up the household.

On the 3rd October 1891 the MOHRING family sailed from Liverpool to New York, America on the Ship “Alaska.”

William MOHRING, age 36, Elizabeth, 23, John 10, William, 7, Ernest, 2, and infant John.

Arriving New York 13th October 1891 after calling at Queenstown, Ireland.   Destination Jacksonville, Florida.

Same names except John is Henry age 11 months – clerical error above?

The family was to suffer another blow, his 2nd wife Elizabeth Ann was to die, age 32 years in the March Quarter of 1900(W. Derby Vol. 8b, Page 494).

William was to remarry again, this time to Elizabeth Ann Walne’s sister Margaret Alice Walne in the March Quarter of 1901.

1901 census taken on the 31st March 1901 – When did William & Margaret marry, FreeBMD show it was in the March Quarter so it looks as though this time it was OK.

The 1901 census shows Henry’s father William with his new wife and family living at 13, Adderley Street West Derby Western, Lancashire.    William J.F Mohring was now 47 and still a Fruit Saleman, his wife Margaret, 27 had been born in Orrell, Lancashire.   Their family had expanded quite a lot, the children were, William J.A., 16 a Chef’s Assistant, Ernest V., 12 and Henry, 11, all born in Liverpool.   Alice, 10 and Otto, 9 had been born in the U.S.A.    Guy, 6 and Edith A., 3 had been born in Liverpool.   There was one servant – Sarah Kerfoot, age 18 born Ormskirk, Lancashire.

By the 1911 census the family had moved to 1, Oakhill Road, West Derby, (Eastern)Liverpool. William, 57, was still a Fruit Saleman and Margaret, 37 and they tell us that they had been married for 10 years and 6 children had been born to them but sadly 1 had died.

Son Henry, 20 was single, as was his brother Otto, 17 a Clerk, who had been born in Chicago, U.S.A.   Guy, 14 and Edith, 13 had been born in Liverpool, Freda, 6 and Sybil, 5 had been born in Waterloo, Lancashire, whereas Isa, 3, Alfred, 1 and Adolf, 2 months had been born in Liverpool.

Henry’s sister Alice, was not with the family but working as a servant at White House, Barnston, Birkenhead, Cheshire (13 Rooms) – Alice MOHRING, age 19, born Jacksonville, Florida (Nationality German), she was one of two servants in a household  with 13 rooms – In the household of James Joseph BHEWIN (sic) (or BREWIN) , a Coal Merchant, his wife Elizabeth, 4 Sons and 4 daughters.

Henry’s sister Alice, married after Henry’s death in July 1918, in November 1918 to a soldier who survived the war and married in All Saint’s Church, Gresford.

Gresford Marriages

Page 165 No 330 9th November 1918 Cephus John BROWN, 29, Bachelor, Motor Mechanic (A.S.C. M.T.) Morton GrangeTislerton, Nottingham, father Thomas BROWN (dec), Farmer & Alice Maud Louise MOHRING, 26, Spinster, Town Drill House, Burton Rossett, father William John Frederick MOHRING, Fruit Salesman. (By Licence)

Witnesses:- George WILLIAMS & Ann Jane HODGSON

I believe that William J F Mohring died age 66 in the June Quarter of 1920 in the Wrexham Registration District.( Denbighshire Volume: 11b Page:               319)

Henry’s sister died in the June Quarter of 1960 age 68 in the Registration district of Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire (Lincolnshire Volume: 3b Page: 327).

Alice Maud Louise Brown in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 – BROWN, Alice Maud Louise of Burgage House, South Cliff Road, Kirton-in-Lindsey, Lincolnshire widow died 31st May 1960 at Selwyn Spa Hill, Kirton-in-Lindsey.   Probate Lincoln 28th July to Cecil Mohring BROWN, Agrucultural Worker and Cyril Raymond BROWN, Draughtsman.   Effects £3626 3s 1d.

There is discrepancy on Henry’s Regimental Numbers, so I wrote to the CGWC:-

Subject: Wrong Regimental Number

Description: Henry Mohring’s Regtl. No. is shown as 73458, whereas on:- Henry Mohring in the British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name: Henry Mohring

Regiment or Corps: The King’s (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps

Regimental Number: 79183, 49463

Victory & British War Medals – Roll No. LC/101B31, Page No. 3082

Nothing else written on the card.

Can you advise please, Kind regards, Mavis Williams

The reply from CWGC Enquiries Support Team []

Sent: 30/09/2017 13:26

Subject: CWGC Enquiry Acknowledgement: Number 00045862

Your Enquiry 00045862

Dear Ms Williams,

Re: 73458 Private HENRY MOHRING, The King’s (Liverpool Regiment)

Thank you for contacting the CWGC concerning the service number for Private H Mohring.

The British WW1 Medal Rolls Index Card is an extract of the WW1 Medal and Awards Rolls which provides for a former service number of 79183. We cannot be sure how this service number got onto the rolls (soldiers listed beneath him all start their numbers with 73) but 73458 is mentioned in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, which would have been directly sourced from his service record.

On this basis, we are cannot say that 73458 doesn’t apply and therefore we won’t be changing this.

Kind Regards

Records Team

Henry Mohring in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 tells us that he was born in Liverpool and his residence was Stoneycroft, Liverpool, this tells us that he died at “Home” but this means in the UK and not necessarily his home with his family.   This source also tells us that he was formerly 73458, Liverpool Regt.

Henry Mohring in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 tells us he was age 27 years and died in the September Quarter of 1918 in the Registration district of Lewisham, London

(Volume: 1d Page: 1029)

Private Henry H Mohring in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current is the source that give us his Gravestone photo. (by Charlie and graveyard plinth by wertypop)   Many thanks to them.

Henry Mohring in the UK, Army Registers of Soldiers’ Effects, 1901-1929 tells us that the sole Legatee was his father William who received £20 12s 3d on the 13th November 1918 and his War Gratuity of £5 10s on the 6th December 1919.    There was a recharge  to the Regimental Paymaster at Nottingham of 7/4d on the 20th November 1918 (possible overpayment?).

Henry Mohring in the British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 tells us that he was awarded the Victory & British War Medals and that he was in two regiments – The King’s (Liverpool) Regiment and the Labour Corps and two Regimental Numbers:           79183, 49463.   It does not tell us where his first Theatre of War was nor when he entered it.   This differs to the CWGC details:- 73458

I cannot find his Attestation Papers that might have told us why and where he died, but it must have been near Brookwood Military Cemetery, Surrey.   However the Spanish Flu in 1918/19 was rampant and he could have become one of its statistics, sadly, along with many thousands.

An extract taken from the CWGC database:-

Located 30 miles from London in Surrey, Brookwood Military Cemetery is the largest CWGC cemetery in the United Kingdom. The cemetery contains the graves of more than 1,600 servicemen of the British Empire in the First World War and over 3,470 from the Second World War.

Brookwood Military Cemetery lies adjacent to Brookwood Cemetery (The London Necropolis), a vast space which covers 500 acres. In 1917, an area to the north of the cemetery was set aside as Brookwood Military Cemetery for men and women of Commonwealth forces who died, many of battle wounds, in the London district. This site was further extended to accommodate Commonwealth casualties of the Second World War.

I think that Henry came to Gresford or the surrounding district after the 1911 census as his sister Alice was to live here, as did her father William, I beleieve he died in Wrexham, and she made sure that Henry was not forgotten by putting his name forward to be remembered on the Roll of Honour in the Porch of All Saint’s Church.

Pic by John Davies 19/04/2014

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